Richard D. Bartlett @RichDecibels 2023-10-26
I have a hunch that many/most people interested in the ânetwork stateâ are primarily motivated by a desire to reverse their sense of atomisation & alienationâŠ
statecraft seems a really weird response to those problems. what am I missing here??
Jay Bobzin @jaybobzin 2023-10-26
im interested in organization to solve collective problems like paying for basic healthcare that is rooted in opt in rather than threat of violence
very different than alienation
Richard D. Bartlett @RichDecibels 2023-10-26
I am interested in that too. my approach is to practice at small scale and then gradually build legitimacy for large scale change. inventing a new state seems like a wacky red herring at best or an abdication of civic responsibility at worst
Steve Phillips /dd @elimisteve 2023-10-27
I like the network state idea so much Iâm creating one myself. Itâs called Autonomous United, and Iâll be telling people about it and encouraging the right people (like yourself!) to apply for the first time at the Network State Conference on Monday October 30th.
> or an
Jay Bobzin @jaybobzin 2023-10-27
cool to hear you are working on this
i agree that extremism is not the approach here and its not something ive invested in much but
it does seem the right road is to build specialized âco-opsâ from the ground up
whether this is a state or not, *shrug*
steady rockin all night long @sonikudzu 2023-10-26
it seems to me like most of them want more control over things because they feel like they have the answers, and for various reasons believe it would be better to make a network state than do any civic engagement with their current state
Richard D. Bartlett @RichDecibels 2023-10-26
I am surprised if anyone has done a bunch of political organising and then concluded what we need is a new state. I understand if people choose to refocus their politics on different scales, or ditch electoralism, but inventing a new polity is a head scratcher
Jon Hillis (,,) @JonathanHillis 2023-10-26
I donât think youâre missing anything, âstateâ is the wrong meme for these projects
2023-05-02
NETWORK STATES vs. NETWORK CITIES
a thread on some of the differences between Balajiâs definition of a network state and how weâre building a network city at Cabin
Richard D. Bartlett @RichDecibels 2023-10-26
I am more interested in network dinertable and network neighbourhood⊠maybe all the scales can fit together and play nice
Jon Hillis (,,) @JonathanHillis 2023-10-26
yep, thatâs exactly the scale Cabin plays atâdinner tables and neighborhoods. you get enough of those happening locally across a global network, and we call that a network city.
brooke bowman @gptbrooke 2023-10-26
and currently most of them do seem to be playing nice
cabin, fractal, and vibecamp are all going to be represented at the conference (itâll be my first time ever speaking at one of these shindigs đ±)
Κ @quantizor 2023-10-26
I think itâs largely disagreeing with the circumstances of your birthplace and wanting to find autonomy with like-minded folks regardless of physical location.
Richard D. Bartlett @RichDecibels 2023-10-26
and we need new states for this?
Shajedul Karim @shajedulkarim_ 2023-10-26
interesting take. the ânetwork stateâ allure might be a search for belonging in our digital age.
while statecraft might seem an unusual remedy to atomisation, maybe itâs about crafting new, dynamic spaces of connection?
reimagining community in a fragmented world. but, itâs a
Richard D. Bartlett @RichDecibels 2023-10-27
yes that is basically the game I am playing. but statecraft seems like a wacky red herring
Niran Babalola @niran 2023-10-26
âfraternal orderâ is too old fashioned and âcultâ has negative connotations, so a new framing for high-demand groups is actually useful
Richard D. Bartlett @RichDecibels 2023-10-26
thereâs a long long way from fraternal order to state though?
FreeEK @eyal_kenigsvain 2023-10-27
To me it seems an exodus strategy for crypto/digital nomads. Escape bad places while maintain clout in the form of digital passport that provides rights and protections. Large corporations like Amazon will likely take the form of a network state, maybe shedding the blockchain.
Richard D. Bartlett @RichDecibels 2023-10-27
Portugal is already here! Switzerland! Bermuda!
zakku (,) @fifthworldzach 2023-10-26
Itâs a useful if inaccurate meme to bat signal all the people who recognize the incapability of current states/governments to navigate the Anthropocene.
Richard D. Bartlett @RichDecibels 2023-10-26
maybe we donât need a navigator
stork @cool_junk_1000 2023-10-26
On the one hand, large online communities â any large community â will inevitably require some of the mechanisms of states.
On the other hand yeah buddy this is not going to fix your loneliness.
Richard D. Bartlett @RichDecibels 2023-10-26
perhaps we could use some of the existing states for this
Gideon Wald @gideonwald 2023-10-26
ah, but i am interested in it because i observe the ongoing collapse of traditional nation-states as organizing bodies for society
perhaps these are the same picture?
Richard D. Bartlett @RichDecibels 2023-10-26
by what measures are states collapsing? isnât it extremely contested space?
Visakan Veerasamy @visakanv 2023-10-26
2021-07-30
a little joke anecdote I think about a lot:
guy goes to fishing shop and sees all the lures and heâs like wow! do fishes like the lures more because theyâre so shiny and colourful?
and fishing shop guy says, my boy, I donât sell to the fish
Zemm êź Naph @Zemm_NFT 2023-10-26
State-craft implies fixity that I donât think network state necessarily requires, project might be more like authoring principles, lore, flexible software, etc.
Tyler Alterman @TylerAlterman 2023-10-26
@__drewface @Prigoose
Julia Karmo @juliakarmo 2023-10-26
To be honest it took me a while to figure out this was my motivation. âNetwork stateâ helps w overcoming that, and also self-alienation that was maybe the core issue. Once I worked that out my interest became more utilitarian.
ChrisD @sensefulronin 2023-10-26
I just want to see more vision experiments in the worldâŠ
Professor Ratchet @plasticmpire 2023-10-26
I think on some level it connects with the microsolidarity idea. We need irl bonds with other humans, but we also need big projects and an inspiring vision that lots of people can align with in a decentralized way. In this case, the vision is of a new less violent post
Benjamin Life @omniharmonic 2023-10-26
Itâs misguided in its attempt to start with a heterogenous digital enclave & move into physicality. Pluralism is a necessary component States. I think it mostly comes from a desire to fork the legacy state due to systemic failure of means of redress to mod the system internally.
Daniel CoΔmeta McNichol @dnlmc 2023-10-26
tech-brained solutionism defaulting to highest level of abstraction
(im reminded of this banger https://x.com/RichDecibels/status/1609145559108952064?t=SMFHGKtyQdGFnybNIvrAgQ&s=19âŠ)
2022-12-31
guy who has never hosted a dinner party: I should start a network state